WooHoo my first post here!!!! Been reading forum for a long time finally joined. Here goes: Cleos is not a Legal gambling site. They are based out of Cyprus. They try to promote themselves as Legal , but of course anyone can say whatever they want about themselves. It is a marketing strategy to make people in the US who may be weary of online gambling more comfortable. There is nothing legal about their promotion . The only way it would be legal is to be based in US and have appropriate local/fed licensing.They practice strategies like other know rogues, such as long delayed cashouts along with small withdrawal limits. People do seem to get paid eventually, but they can stop paying at any time like any other rogue casino. There have been recent delays on lots of withdrawals recently.When the DOJ targets online gambling it is normally the processor they are able to get easily. It is more difficult to get the operators because of their foreign locations. Processing of money is illegal, it is easier to track, and shut down. I have always been of the opinion that they advertise legal gambling they make themselves a major target for DOJ. I am sure DOJ does not want to be taunted.
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cleos sure taking long to process my third withdraw
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well my guess is that they are borderline because it isnt cleos at all its virtual spree which is based in the usa so one thing for certain they havnt invested this much money with a major company virtual spree without doing there legal work before hand so chances are good they have found a legal loop hole which allows them to operate and most likely DOJ cant stop at the moment and not sure they ever will as long as they collect and doc where the money is going and to be able to collect the tax revenue that has been assessed because you do fill out a w-9 on every cash out and if you reverse any you will fill it out again for you new amount
hope it goes smoothly and probably will but they are sure taking to the last day on the whole process
hope it goes smoothly and probably will but they are sure taking to the last day on the whole process
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well finally got my check and i have been paid almost took a month 5 days short of but just happy to get my money
Awesome, flaflash!
If there is a next time (for all members too), then be sure to put your issue in this forum ... <a href="https://www.nodepositforum.com/f274232/online-casino-problems-let-us-try-to-help/" >https://www.nodepositforum.com/f274232/online-casino-problems-let-us-try-to-help/</a>I did alert the rep to your cashout out issue and she would like to know ASAP whenever any of our members have an issue.
Great first post, No Fool ... for real!
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No problem Mben! And the point of my post isn't to stop people from playing their if they feel it is safe. All online casinos that US players play at are obviously not legal. I am commenting because their marketing campaign of it being legal is working because the other member asked if they are not considered illegal . I just want to make sure that people understand that Cleos is no different than an RTG casino you play, other than maybe the terms. I will say that there are better casinos in terms of withdrawal limits and time frames. Actually Cleos terms would almost be considered borderline rogue with the withdrawal amounts and long time to get paid. If Cleos was legal they wouldn't need weeks upon weeks to pay. They could pay rather quickly in large amounts , if not in full, if they were actually legal and utilizing US banks for all their processing. But it is the same as any other casino trying to hide the transactions, and constantly having to go through processors to process the deposits and withdrawals.You always want to be cautious when playing a new casino. Cleos hasn't been around that long. Again there lengthy withdrawal times and small withdrawal limits is enough to stop plenty of people from playing there. So far it seems people do get there checks. But as of recent ( 2-4 weeks) I have seen multiple complaints of even longer periods of waiting to get paid.
But they are different. They do not claim to be a casino. People purchase spree credits which can be used to buy merchandise. As a promotion, they give you the same amount in game credits. Players then can go and play the Cleos casino like games where wins are actually wins from winning a sweepstakes behind every spin. Can't the processor(s) have or set limitations? The checks I have seen from Cleos have been written off of US bank accounts. I totally understand where you are coming from, No Fool and I am not arguing with you. Just a friendly discussion.
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I know your not arguing and its a discussion, and a good one!First thing the whole promotion guise,heres the easiest way to describe it: you can put lipstick on a pig and its still a pig. (I hope I don't sound like Obama) Cleos substantiates in their mind that because its a promotion its legal. At the end of the day we all know its gambling. Try to spin it whatever way they want, they still don't have approval from any jurisdiction in the US.The casinos really set the limits, the processors sometimes have a say to fly under the radar . Either way the processing is the most illegal part. The processor is normally the one that gets busted. The processor is 100% going to be foreign. The only way to pay customers is with US or Canada checks. Just like with any other US friendly casino you will see the checks coming from US or Canadian check. You will see the banks change constantly because they ALL eventually get caught. So in conclusion the whole process is the same as any other US friendly casino you play at.But you may ask why does Cleos go to the extent of this whole promotional cover up? Two main reasons:1) It makes people feel more comfortable about signing up and playing.2) If the casino itself is targeted by any official body it will use this scheme to try to defend themselves.
I guess I opened Pandora's box on this one. My original post regarding the legality of Cleo's is because I myself feel that with the processing issues they are having only leads me to believe they are not quite on the up and up like they claim and if they are then why don't other casinos follow the same format?I am also curious if the checks that people are receiving are still drawn on the same bank as they were a couple of months ago.I am anxious to hear what your rep from Cleo's has to say.Robsmom did ask a question that I think of quite often regarding other game sites that you pay to play at and have a chance to win money, such as GSN. I have wondered myself why sites like these are legal and others are not.I love Cleo's and in no way am I trying to sway people from not playing there.I would also like to add that maybe discussions like these should be password protected or maybe we shouldn't be discussing them at all in such an open forum.Sorry for my rambling but I had a long day and am half asleep.
Remember chain letters? send $1 to each person listed below then add your name to the number 4 spot, and mail away. That was illegal to do. Loophole the new chain letter way. send $1 to the people listed below and receive a copy of how to be a millionaire pamphlet, and add your name to the bottom of the list. Legal because you are receiving something of value for your money."
Cleos is doing the samething as the loophole in the chain letter thing. You buy spree credits to buy products and for your chance to win in the raffle and the chance to win in the $10,000,000 sweepstakes. "
I see what your saying about it being gambling but they use the loophole which makes it legal. the difference between a casino and cleos is that if you lose with a casino your done when you run out of money. With Cleos when you run out of game credits you still can buy products with the spree credits in turn getting value for your money.
Cleos is doing the samething as the loophole in the chain letter thing. You buy spree credits to buy products and for your chance to win in the raffle and the chance to win in the $10,000,000 sweepstakes. "
I see what your saying about it being gambling but they use the loophole which makes it legal. the difference between a casino and cleos is that if you lose with a casino your done when you run out of money. With Cleos when you run out of game credits you still can buy products with the spree credits in turn getting value for your money.
Definitely a good discussion!"
Gophils, as far as not discussing topics like this in the open, I understand where you're coming from. My feelings about private forums are that if they want in, they will get in. We would have to set a password on a particular forum and then PM it to whomever asks for it. There is no way that I can determine who they are when they come ask me for it. It makes it harder for them sure, but won't keep them out. Also, we need a winner to answer your question about if it's still the same bank as before. I can't tell you that because sadly, I am a loser! lol"
No Fool, you can put lipstick on a pig and its still a pig ... that is true but tking's explanation is what I was trying to convey. You can call it a loophole if you are looking at this from the aspect of drawing players in. Meaning they can call their type of site whatever they want but it is what it is. But if you're looking at the legalities of them operating the way they do, they probably do have it covered. "
I'm off to check out GSN and then need to go spend my spree credits!
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I will let you all know when I hear back from the rep.
Gophils, as far as not discussing topics like this in the open, I understand where you're coming from. My feelings about private forums are that if they want in, they will get in. We would have to set a password on a particular forum and then PM it to whomever asks for it. There is no way that I can determine who they are when they come ask me for it. It makes it harder for them sure, but won't keep them out. Also, we need a winner to answer your question about if it's still the same bank as before. I can't tell you that because sadly, I am a loser! lol"
No Fool, you can put lipstick on a pig and its still a pig ... that is true but tking's explanation is what I was trying to convey. You can call it a loophole if you are looking at this from the aspect of drawing players in. Meaning they can call their type of site whatever they want but it is what it is. But if you're looking at the legalities of them operating the way they do, they probably do have it covered. "
I'm off to check out GSN and then need to go spend my spree credits!
"I will let you all know when I hear back from the rep.
I didn't expect a formal reply from Cleos but heard back from the rep and the way tking and I explained it is how they operate. The rep gave another good example ... McDonalds . Simply put (in my words), people at McDonalds purchase Quarter Pounders and fries and then have a chance to play their Monopoly game. People at Cleos purchase credits to be used to buy merchandise and then have a chance to play their games.-- Edited by Mben on Wednesday 11th of September 2013 02:55:48 PM
Thanks for the info! Yes unfortunately its hard to compare Mcdonald's Monopoly with Cleos slot machines. I would almost guarantee that legally Mcdonalds couldn't replace the Monopoly board with promotion credits for a slot machine.There really is a big difference between a actual true sweepstakes, and actual gambling. I am almost sure that most people are not going to buy mcdonalds just to play monopoly (theres a few I am sure) whereas people going to cleos are going their to gamble.Also just to be clear I am not against Gambling being legal in the US. The whole point I make is that they are saying their operation is legal when they don't have anyone regulators stamp of approval. Again anyone can say whatever they want about themselves. I can tell you I have legal gambling in my basement and its legal because its private property, but I have no license to do such. Then one day the cops show up and confiscate money and arrest people because it is illegal. All I did was give my interpretation of the law, I didn't say my basement was actually legally licensed for gambling.I have played at plenty of online casinos and obviously all are not actually legal, so I am not judging anyone who plays at one. I am just saying don't advertise yourself as legal because that's your interpretation. Advertise that your legal when you have your licensing in place. It would be the greatest thing in the world for the US to have a fully LEGAL casino, no more small payments, or delayed withdrawals because it would be regulated.
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Daniela, I get what you're saying about casinos going boom . lol"
This promo was a way for them to make up for the problems they were having at the time. All seems to be cleared up now and was cleared up at the time of this promo. I didn't want you to think that it was an ongoing problem. "
Not saying it won't happen again because processors can be tough to work with at times.
This promo was a way for them to make up for the problems they were having at the time. All seems to be cleared up now and was cleared up at the time of this promo. I didn't want you to think that it was an ongoing problem. "
Not saying it won't happen again because processors can be tough to work with at times.
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